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local Vs supermarket

Thread started on 8/7/2008 13:46

010nick

Hi,
I have been looking at a lot of carbon calculators but can’t find what I need and I am hoping you can help.

I need to compare the CO2 difference between shopping locally to shopping at a supermarket.

Most calculators define local as UK but I need something much closer to the shopper more like a farmers market.

Thanks in advance

carbon 'calculators'

John Cossham

John Cossham

Hello Nick, ecofootprinting, and more recently carbon calculators, are fairly new concepts and due to their complexity, their accuracy is debatable. I have used several C calculators, and put in the same personal info, and had quite a wide variation of scores. I do not believe they are ‘calculators’, more like guesstimators or approximators.

You say you need to compare the CO2 difference between shopping locally and shopping in a local shop. I’m assuming you want to compare the same ‘basket’ of goods?

These are some of the issues which a carbon footprinting consultant would have to take into consideration:

Your travel: how far is the supermarket from your abode, are you travelling there and back just for your one basket, or as part of an existing trip? Size of vehicle… Rolls Royce or push bike with trailer? Type of fuel in engine? Considering your ‘local shop/s’ or farmers’ market, how far is this/are these, same questions really. A trip to the supermarket on the way back from work by bike might have a smaller travel footprint than a special Sunday trip out to the Farmers’ market in a nearby village and a visit to a greengrocers, butchers, hardware shop and clothes shop in several different parts of town. You might be able to get your whole basket delivered if bought from a supermarket (and some deliver using relatively eco-friendly vehicles, with dozens of deliveries per trip) but probably not from several smaller shops.

Considering the goods you purchase, a supermarket might be able to offer a wider range of organic goods, which MIGHT have a lower C footprint (see below) than smaller shops which can only stock a few lines and therefore only has ‘normal’ goods which use fertiliser (made from fossil gas) and weedkiller (more chemicals). However, let’s imagine the exact same basket in both outlets.

Goods themselves are incredibly difficult to give an accurate carbon footprint to. Consider tomatoes. If you buy locally grown, outdoor tomatoes (or unheated greenhouse)from the farm gate, that will definitely have a lower footprint than equivalent Spanish ones flown, driven or shipped in. However, many local tomatoes are grown in heated glasshouses, giving them a higher footprint than outdoor toms from further afield. But, if the heat is provided by a nearby power station, offering the greenhouses ‘waste’ heat, that will again give a different value.

If goods are flown in, it is not known how much carbon footprint to assign to this activity. Some calculators just assign one unit of carbon dioxide for every unit of jet fuel used… others have a ‘multiplier’ which takes into consideration the fact that when a plane emits in the upper atmosphere, some of the emissions (NOx) cause more greenhouse effect than these same gases emitted at ground level. The Government calculator, ActOnCO2, just uses the simplest system as the government says ‘we don’t yet understand the chemistry, so we won’t guess a multiplier’. Other calculators assign air transport a much greater impact. So that’s one area where ‘calculators’ are just guessing or estimating…

Many products have dozens of ingredients (go look at a packet of biscuits) and to calculate an ‘accurate’ footprint for these, each of the ingredients has to be assessed. A year or two ago, a well-known brand of crisps started to footprint one of it’s lines, and the job was considerably more complicated and costly than they had bargained for. Also, Tesco said they were going to put a C footprint on all of it’s lines… but this hasn’t happened and I think they’ve quietly dropped it as unworkable, and probably not worth doing as the figures would be almost meaningless, and customers probably wouldn’t use the info anyway.

So, my final thoughts are that you are not going to be able to get any sort of accurate info on this as there are too many variables. You can safely say that a vegan basket has a lower impact than a meaty one, that UK goods have travelled less than tropical ones (but may have been grown in heated greenhouses)and that farmers’ markets give more money to farmers than supermarkets do. Buy organic and in season to have a lower footprint, but organic agriculture uses more land per weight of crops… it’s ALL SO COMPLICATED!!!

If you want a more informed answer, contact The Stockholm Environment Institute at the University of York. They were one of the originators of ecofootprinting, and are continuing to work on carbon calculators. John Barrett is the most knowlegeable… but he is a very busy chap! Good luck!!

John Cossham, York
johncossham (at) tiscali (dot) co (dot) uk

 

correction to last post

John Cossham

John Cossham

And of course, in my second paragraph, I meant to type:
‘You say you need to compare the CO2 difference between shopping locally and shopping in a local SUPERMARKET’, not just ‘local shop’!!!
J

 

Many thanks for the

010nick

Many thanks for the reply,

What I am looking for is a typical / average shopper with the same shopping list and the same average delivery distance / transport. It would be home delivery Vs average Supermarket (I am guessing 80% in store 20% online home delivery) both of which are one stop shops.

This is something we keep getting asked about and are lost when it comes to putting a number on co2 savings. Everything I have looked at online would appear to be rather simplistic or somewhat black box (they don’t say how they arrive at the numbers). The alternative is to hire in a professional to help us but it’s not cheap and we don’t have the budget for it.

I have always suspected that there are too many variables to get any kind of realistic data out of an online calculator. From a business point of view I am always surprised by the amount of emphasis that is getting put on them.

Well back to the drawing board

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Thanks again
Nick

 

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robinsmith3

robinsmith3

http://www.carbonrationing.org.uk/fora/threads/water-usage#comment-1644

Yes it is so complicated. My suggestion would be to measure all CO2 emissions at source and let the market price the costs into goods. Very simple and then no need to measure anything. Suppliers would then economise by minimising fossil fuel use. The most CO2 efficient production method at the cheapest cost would then appear naturally… in theory so long as no one meddled with the process with tariff, subsidy and regulation

Unlikely but still more likely to work than doing it on the complex supply side